Filling Out the Menzies

Today I am working on my Menzies family line. It’s still been a struggle to get back in the swing of what I was doing. Mostly I’m struggling to keep focused for long periods of time. To combat this, I’ve been doing short bursts to try and work up to longer work sessions. This means sometimes I work on one small family one day, and someone completely on the other side of the tree the next.

This screenshot is from my “clean” file where the only things that live in it are things attached to a source.

James Menzies and Anna Parks family

Today I am trying to fill out the census records for this family. I have a few here and there but I’ve never fully researched them. The Municipal Archives in NYC has a invaluable resource for records in Manhattan, so now is a good time to start filling out these branches of my ancestor’s siblings.

Gathering the Information

Right now I have James and his family in the 1860 and 1880 United States Censuses. I wanted to also fill in the New York State Censuses but unfortunately, Manhattan is missing from these. So 1870 is my new target. I have tried basic searches for this, (I know because I made notes of it!). None of the searches worked and I knew I was going to have to change strategies.

If you notice, one of their children was born in 1870, so I checked to see if I had that birth record. I did.

James was born in October of 1870, which is perfect for me. This means the address given as residence on this record is probably where they were living in June when the 1870 census was taken.

Side Note: This record also says James is the 6th child of his parents, and I only have 5. This means I need to look further for another child. Maybe the 1870 census will help!

Working with Maps

Now the problem comes of where to search for them? Manhattan is a very big place. I know I want to look for 320 Tenth Avenue, but where was that? What district was that in 1870?

A quick Google map search shows me the general area where the address would have been. How do I then translate that to 1870 districts?

Thanks to Wikimedia, we have a November 1870 Hardy Map of Manhattan.

Breaking Down the Hardy 1870 Manhattan Map

This map says a lot. The red outline and number indicates the Ward. The blue outline and number gives us the Assembly District. The last breakdown on this particular map is Election Districts. When you are looking at a state or federal census, they will be using one of these designations to distinguish each area they are counting. So going off our Google Map, if I’m honest, the election district is not exactly clear. I don’t know where exactly my address will land. I’m going to say either the 6th or 7th district. Mainly because of the side of the street that even numbered addresses are on in all the NYC maps I’ve looked at.

Ward: 20
Assembly District: 15
Election District: 6 or 7

Does this narrow things down for me to one exact place? No. Does it eliminate thousands of pages of census? Yes. This is what we call a win. No it wasn’t tied up in a quick indexed search. However, we are talking about Scottish and Irish immigrants, maybe they had thick accents or no accent. Maybe the census taker had horrible handwriting and the name was not legible. There are just as many scenarios there as districts in New York City. 😂

We could keep trying to find it in the index, or we can take a Saturday afternoon and check Election District 6 and 7 and see what we find. Can’t hurt to try!

The Search is On

In order to not have 1,000,000 images in this post, I’m just going to document what I find as I start browsing.

  • Opened to first page of Ward 20, 6th Election District on FamilySearch. Location description on the side of the page says 10th Avenue between 26 and 27th street.
  • 8 pages in, 10th Avenue between 27 and 28th street. I find a James Parks family, from Ireland.
  • 11 pages in, 10th Avenue between 28 and 29th street. I start noticing that maybe the dwelling number is the street address? There was not a second family number indicated for each family. Just a bunch of families, under the same dwelling number.

12 pages into my targeted search. James Menzies family, written as Menses. We have James, his wife Anna, the three living children. James will be born in just a few months. Not bad for a Saturday afternoon I would say. Indexes are nice, I use them a lot but I have to say the payoff of this targeted search feels so much more satisfying.

New Jersey State Archives: Above and Beyond

I’m currently working on a post about how I deal with negative searches from repositories. Today, I’d like to shine a spotlight on the New Jersey State Archives. Recently I ordered 3 records from them. Two were birth certificates and one was a death record.

A Little Background

The death record is connected to the William Wallace Love and Jane Menzies thing from 1890. No one that I’ve talked to has been able to find her death record yet. One of the reasons seems to be confusion surrounding her actual day of death. The family record that was passed down to me gives the date as September 17th, 1890.

Typed Family Record, Llewellyn’s Boxes, 1986; privately held by Kathleen Moore, [ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE,] Lexington Park, Maryland. 2005. This collection was taken from Llewellyn Thorward-Moore’s house after her death. They resided with her son until 2005, when they passed to Kathleen Moore.
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Mystery Monday: Bell Brodie Returns!

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Before my unintentional hiatus from the blog and genealogy, I was working on a little mystery. It was actually quite fun and I’m eager to pick up where I left off.

This weekend, I received a discount in my e-mail to come back to Ancestry.com and I decided to go ahead and use the discount to upgrade to the World Membership for at least the 6 month term of that discount. With my World Membership I can see the Canadian census images now which really excites me.

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Mystery Monday: Finding Bell Brodie, Onwards and Upwards

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It’s that time again! I’m truly coming to enjoy spending my Sunday afternoons on the hunt for Bell. Then I can write about it for Monday!

I decided after last week, to just go ahead and search the Canada census in London, Ontario for a Bell Brodie to see what happened. I don’t have an Ancestry World Membership, so I’m making do with the FamilySearch indexes! No problem!

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Mystery Monday: Finding Bell Brodie, Canada edition

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I had a pleasant surprise in my email on Sunday morning. It was from my long lost cousin, Grace. (I love calling her that for some reason :)) I have communicated with Grace over the past few years thanks to my blog bringing us together. We’ve shared a lot of information on our linked Menzies/Love connection over the years. Lucky for me, she had something to add to the mystery of Bell Brodie!

She sent me three different letter transcriptions. Then she suggested that maybe I wasn’t supposed to be looking in London, England for Bell, but London, Ontario, Canada! Before I even consulted anything else having to do with the mystery of where Bell Brodie belonged, I brought out the map.

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Mystery Monday: Finding Bell Brodie part 2

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For the last few weeks, I’ve been jumping around a lot. I’ve been working on a billion things and not anything. Do you do that too? Always busy but never seem to get any one thing done. This weekend, I finally took some time to sit down and re-visit my Bell Brodie mystery. I didn’t expect to take such a big break but it was never far from my mind!

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Making some Observations

I worked quite a bit yesterday on my maternal lines. The only drawback is it burned me out a little bit on researching. So I decided to switch to my paternal line, and just kind of observe it in pedigree format in FTM2012.

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Here are some things I’ve noticed:

  1. Josephine Doremus is the only one of my 3rd great grandparents that wasn’t an immigrant.  All others that are listed were born in other countries
  2. The missing spots in my 3rd great grandparents aren’t immigrants… at least I don’t think. I have possible parents for both Jennie Featherson and Sarah/Sadie Sutcliffe, just no paper trail yet.
  3. My Moore line is completely Irish.
  4. My Thorward line is a quarter German, a quarter ?, and half Scottish.
  5. My Redford line  is half English and half ?.
  6. My Parkin line is half English and half ?.
  7. All the known immigrant ancestors on my paternal line were all here before 1875.
  8. This entry has been sitting idle for 45 minutes because I’m watching Ugly Betty on Netflix Streaming.
  9. I probably shouldn’t “work” in a room with a TV, much less one with Instant Streaming capabilities.
  10. Featherson and Sutcliffe don’t sound like normal names. They’re not exactly Thorward, if you get my drift, but they aren’t Moore or Johnson either.

Researching Trip to Scotland

Hello everyone! Long time no blog post from me! Sorry about that, summer gets kind of crazy around the Moore household. I’m writing today because my long lost cousin Grace, is making a trip to Scotland this September and she wanted to know some pointers about research across the pond. She’s going with her husband and son, so this isn’t a complete research trip. She was just wondering if there was anything that she could look up while she was there. The only problem is, I’ve never researched in person anywhere but Ohio and Maryland. So I have no idea if there’s anything she can look up.

We know our Loves lived in Paisley, and we know the Menzies were in Morton by Thornhill before going to Liverpool and from there to America. Most of this we know only through FamilySearch databases, Scotland directories, and some family recollections. After the success I had with my last request for tips, I thought it was worth a try again!

If anything, maybe cousin Grace can get me a nice picture of Castle Menzies, I kind of obsess about it. Hopefully someone reading this can be as helpful for her as she’s been for me!

Revisiting an Old Entry, Menzies Style

I’m revisiting an old entry today. That entry is the one from September titled, Menzies News. In that entry I examined a census record that I thought might be William Menzies in 1861. This is important to me because only a few of the Menzies siblings stayed behind in England. William strikes a cord with me because in a letter to his sister he wrote, “I am quite sure I will never stay in England all my life as I am quite tired of it.” I can’t help but wonder if he ever made it.

In the entry, I also mention that I found a marriage record for William Menzies and Ellen Patterson. The only problem was I couldn’t be sure that was my William. The index on familysearch.org only had the name of the groom’s father listed. With such common names like John and William, and no other clues, I couldn’t be sure if this was in fact my William Menzies.

That all changed yesterday. You see on April 19th, Ancestry.com added a huge number of Liverpool, Lancashire, England Church Records. This includes baptisms, christenings, marriages, and burials. I was fortunate enough to find the marriage record that I questioned so many months ago.

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Menzies Cemetery Fun?

I know, I have a very strange sense of humor. Most genealogists I come across get the cemetery fun thing though. I mean I don’t see them as horrible, scary places. I see them as peaceful places to visit our ancestors.

So, onto the fun. Once I got the death certificate of John Menzies, it was time to dissect the information. Which I’ve done on the blog. After the dissection is time to follow leads. The lead I’m exploring today is the cemetery where John was buried, Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn.

My first stop was Find a Grave to see exactly where the cemetery was and if there was already a listing for John.

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